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David, Dakota, Justin, Robert, and Chris

Where Men Win Glory

http://www.amazon.com/Where-Men-Win-Glory-Odyssey/dp/0385522266

Our group would like to read Where Men Win Glory by Jon Krakuer. Where men win glory is 480 pages long and can be found under Biographies & Memoirs. The book is about Pat Tillman a NFL football player who joined the Army days after 9/11.Pat Tillman left a multimillion-dollar NFL contract to join the Army and became an icon of post-9/11 patriotism. Pat Tillman's death was part of the tragic aftermath of 9/11. The story of a pro football player turned Army Ranger interested many people at the time. Pat Tillman, whose death in the wilds of Afghanistan in 2004 created a government scandal. Our group would like to learn about the government scandal. We want to find out what really happened to him the day he died.We would also like to learn about why he left a perfect life to go to war.

We would like to learn more about Pat Tillman's life before 9/11. His death was very sad and we want to learn more about his life before 9/11 so we can truly know the Pat Tillman by reading this book. Pat Tillman is an American hero and we want to learn more about his life before 9/11. It would also be interesting to read about his life in the Amy before he died."Jon Krakauer chronicles Tillman’s riveting, tragic odyssey in engrossing detail highlighting his remarkable character and personality while closely examining the murky, heartbreaking circumstances of his death. Infused with the power and authenticity readers have come to expect from Krakauer’s storytelling, //Where Men Win Glory// exposes shattering truths about men and war." We want to learn as much as we can about Pat Tillman from his personality to his closest family members.

Pat Tillman's death caused a huge government scandal and cover up. We think it would be interesting to read about why the government lied. We want to know the truth and the best way to find the truth is to read this book."The Army aggressively maneuvered to keep this information from Tillman’s wife, other family members, and the American public for five weeks following his death. During this time, President Bush repeatedly invoked Tillman’s name to promote his administration’s foreign policy. Long after Tillman’s nationally televised memorial service, the Army grudgingly notified his closest relatives that he had “probably” been killed by friendly fire while it continued to dissemble about the details of his death and who was responsible."We want to know why Pat Tillman's family and friends did not get to know the truth about what happened in 2004. We want to know more details on how the government deals with different things that may happen in the Army. The Government may have had a good reason to keep information from us by reading this book we can make the choice for ourselves.

Our group knows Pat Tillman's death was a huge tragedy but we want to know more. We want to know what happened on the day he died. We would like to know what he was doing and why. "He was killed in an almost unfathomable incident of friendly fire, which the Army obfuscated for weeks while the government hailed Tillman as a hero." This book can teach us that war is unfair and the life is something we take for granted."Drawing on interviews with family, fellow soldiers and correspondence, Krakauer’s page-turning account captures every detail--Tillman’s extraordinary character, including the tragic virtues that led him to give up a comfortable life and athletic stardom for the army; the harshness of military training and life; the rugged terrain of remote Afghanistan--and, of course, the ravages of war."

Our group is very happy to get a chance to read a book we really will enjoy. We think Where Men Glory sounds like a very well written book. We all really want to learn as much as we can about Pat Tillman. We want to read more than a war book and this book is exactly that. We want to learn about Pat Tillman's life, death, and why he death caused such a problem with the government. We hope you will let us read Where Men Win Glory.

__Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman__. September 15, 2009. February 14, 2012 .
 * WORK CITED**

MEETING 1 Where Men Win Glory

__**READ UP TO CHAPTER 15 BY NEXT FRIDAY 3/17**__

Summary of Discussion We started off our discussion on Pat's life before the war when he was in school, the discussion went really smooth and everyone kept on task as we just threw our ideas and opinions around. No one really seemed to go off task until we started telling stories for a few minutes but that cleared away quickly and the discussion continued. Thanks to Robert for bringing in chips and water bottles we had a nice little snack to enjoy while we talked about the soviets and Afghanistan and their conflict with the United States. It seemed like everyone has been enjoying the book so far and we will continue to have great discussions about it __Questions and Answers__: Pat Tillman is an NFL football player who joined the US Army after 9/11.
 * **Who is Pat Tillman?**

There is a war going on between the Arab rebels and the Soviet Union.
 * **What is happening in the Middle East during Pat Tillman's life?**

He started very slowly because he was just sent out of juvenile. He missed his parents and his girlfriend and was very independent to himself.
 * **How did Pat Tillman do on his first year in college?**

He was convicted of assault on another student while at a pizza joint. When his friend was being picked on outside by students from another school, he rushed out and beat up the person brutally who was picking on his friend.
 * **Why was Pat sent into court?**

Pat and his girlfriend Marie did not feel at right hanging out with the other players and there wives. In the off-season, Pat liked to push him self physically in his free time. When the other players were golfing and going to nightclubs Pat liked to hike and jump off cliffs. Pat did not like to spend money he drove a used Volvo when other players had really nice cars.
 * **Explain why Pat was different from the other NFL player.**

Meeting

Questions: David 1. Where did Pat and Marie go for their honeymoon and what occurred to Pat's brother during that time? They went on a tour of Europe with Marie's older sister and her husband. They had a great time. Everyone night they will go out and drink large amounts then walk around the town they were staying in. Every morning before it got light Pat would go running to prepare for a marathon he wanted to run. He would run with a major hangover but he did not let it effect him. He was the only NFL player to run in a marathon that year. 2. The Tilman brothers assumed they would be deployed to Afghanistan to fight Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda and the Taliban. However this was not the case, what happened once Bush was elected? They were stationed in a local military base without being able to see any combat or be able to fight for the cause that Pat turned down his NFL contract for. Later on he and his brother were deployed over seas. 3. Once Pats squad mate Avila had been shot, what job did Pat take that was her job? He became the new machine gunner for their squad. His job wast to man the gun on top of the Truck. 4. Before Iraq, Bill Clinton sent out operations in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam. What were the intentions of these missions? They were rescue missions to recover special ops soldiers that were left behind.

Summary Chris We talked about how Osama Bin Laden sneaked away from the U.S army. He dug a hole away from them. Plus the U.S army didn't have enough people to stop them. We were also talking about the questions Littlehale wrote. We were all trying to answer the qeustitions to see how well we read the book. We all knew the answers. We all like the book so it was easy to answer the questions.

The one thing we don't like about the book is when the book talks about what is going on in the world. It just keeps going on about facts on Iraq, Afghanistan, and whatever is going on in the world. We all like the parts talking about his life. Where he was in the NFL, now going to the army. We all gave our favorite parts of the book. Everyone participated very well.

NEXT MEETING - BOOK MUST BE DONE, FIGURE OUT WHO WANTS TO PLAY A ROLE

Littlehale - Leader Henderson (MONKEY) - Summary van den Heuvel -Questions Ewing - Answer Questions Rehill -

Final Meeting

The book was a little depressing.Most of us liked the book alot. Chris did not he said the ending wasn't that good. Chris didn't like how half the book was talking about whats going on in the world. Chris would have like to read more about Pat than what was going on in the world. The rest of us thought the information about the world was cool. The ending was talking about what happened to the other soldiers. They did not really say what happened to Pats girlfriend after she moved to NYC. We also didn't know what happened to Kevin after Marie moved. We talked about the events leading up to Pats death. We also talked about what happened after he was killed.
 * __Summary__**


 * __Questions & Answers__**
 * Why did the government try to cover up Pat Tillamn's death? To make him a war hero and to avoid a petition against the war and the military
 * How did Pat's family react when they heard about the truth of his death? They were shocked. They were very upset with the government because they were lied to. they did not understand why it took so long for the truth to come out.
 * What caused the friendly fire shoot-out in the Tillman Pass? They believed that they were being ambushed by Pats patrol but really Pats patrol was standing guard for them. Once shots were fired Pat and his patrol put there guns down and signaled for them to stop firing. The Rangers below did not stop firing and when they did stop Pat was dead with 3 shots in his head.
 * Explain why the valley where Pat was killed was renamed 'Tillman Pass.' Because he was killed there and the Army Rangers named it after him
 * Explain how the Pat Tillman Foundation was found and what it does.
 * Family and friends created the Pat Tillman Foundation in 2004 to honor Pat’s legacy and pay tribute to his commitment to leadership and service.
 * Upon inception, the Foundation pledged $1.25 million to Arizona State University, Pat’s alma mater, to create and endow the Tillman Scholars-ASU Leadership Through Action™ program at the W. P. Carey School of Business. The program celebrates Pat’s legacy and his extraordinary accomplishments and leadership as a student-athlete at ASU both on and off the field.